Would the same person be interested in sending me the Juggernaut playbook ?

Not only is GANG-CULT mechanically sound, it's also very interesting. Time to set up PC-NPC-PC triangles!

GANG-GANG is a bit harder to justify.  But, I guess if you're ok with that, why not?

Quote from: JoeNobody on April 04, 2012, 05:16:06 PM

It seems to me the playbook is better without "In The Wind". It's just a reworded "Eye On The Door", and it's far more interesting for this playbook to get into something or somewhere and need help getting out.

Yeah, there's some definite overlap with these two.  If I were going to sub in a whole new move, In The Wind is what would probably get dropped.

The current frontrunners for replacement moves are:
a) something that covers sabotage for messing with a hold's equipment and infrastructure
b) something that lets the turncoat retroactively declare some kind of contingency plan or arrangement, similar to this bit from the (IIRC) Advanced Fuckery chapter:

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When you declare retroactively that you’ve already set
something up, roll+sharp. On a 10+, it’s just as you say. On a
7–9, you set it up, yes, but here at the crucial moment the MC
can introduce some hitch or delay. On a miss, you set it up,
yes, but since then things you don’t know about have seriously
changed.

Personally I'm leaning towards sabotage, but I haven't come up with any details for what it would look like.

Man, that works so much better. Ever watch Burn Notice? That happens twice an episode. Suddenly, "In The Wind" becomes...

In The Works

When you wreck a working system, roll +sharp.
On a 10+, choose 3. On a 7-9 choose 2.

- You leave no trace of yourself.
- You leave trace of someone else.
- It costs nothing
- Someone (or no one) is hurt/killed

The MC will tell you what it costs, if anything.

He can get it thru advancement, or you can just give it to him. Think of it like this: the wealth move is attached to the holding, not the character. The wealth move would be meaningless without the holding, and vice versa.

I'd talk with him. Make it clear that this happens for a reason; the best fiction features characters that change, maybe even against their will. Tell him that he's not playing a new character and would most likely keep several of the gunlugger moves. Also, tell him that by this point, he's in charge of a gang, a hold, and he has gigs. Another book might be able to handle all this better. But most of all, tell him again: you're still playing the same character; you're just exploring another side of him.

If he's still dragging his feet? Fuck it. Life's too short. He's the permanent gunlugger.

Yeah, I've said most of this to him. A static character can get boring very easily, but, it's his character. He's done a good job of entangling himself in the fiction and with other characters. He just likes being known as the baddest ass.

He can also start a second character while continuing to play his original character, that sounds like it may be the best option.

he already has made an angel pretty much for the sole purpose of patching up his gunlugger.  While he has made her a fully fledged character in her own right, he has stated that was her purpose.

: Just noticed you said eventually- he hasn't actually taken every other available advancement,

he only has about half of them

you are just worrying about this in advance?

yes

that case I'd advise you not to worry about it, you may never get there and by the time it actually becomes an issue he may have changed his mind about not wanting to switch playbooks or retire the character. If you do, then my first answer still stands, he should play two characters if he doesn't want to retire the first one.

We are now on session 5, and I thought I would post this for shits and grins. I will be updating this as I get events straight in my head.

The characters:

Shithead, chopper, leads the "Hells Satans"(sic). 5' 11", dark skin, wears combat biker armor and is never without his crowbar.

Kim Gremlin, driver, living with the Satans in an ancient gas station: "Fort Esso", drives an equally ancient Impala and a bucket truck.

Abby, gunlugger, lives in Kim's Impala, she has named her guns (her surrogate family).

brief appearances by:

Eltrut, hoarder, totally NOT collecting things with turtles on them (this player only played twice, the second time switching to a different character. Then Real Life Drama intervened, and she doesn't play with us anymore)

Grace, skinner, not much to say for this character (this player also only played twice, switched to a different character, then decided farmville was more important)

Setting:

Smallville (formerly Indian Springs), placed on one of the few remaining intact roads, this small holding is little more than a collection tattered buildings. Main exports=sex
(also trouble, cuz that's where we are).

Farmington, built in a mysterious crater in the nevada desert, experts in "water reclamation". Main exports=food, biofuels, alcohol, drugs.

Shinytown (formerly Las Vegas), glowing neon fortress of the "keepers", self appointed judges and executioners. Exports=(ostensibly) law, protection

There's also a dangerous, unexplored fortress in the desert (Area 51), and, far to the east, there's the legendary Valhallafornia, where wine flows like water and food is plentiful (there's certainly not any secret horrors or unholy abominations there, I'm sure)