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Apocalypse World / Re: Help me "get" the basic moves.
« on: April 04, 2012, 05:03:37 PM »
So if Tom really isn't a threat and we're more or less executing him, then violence against him is either not really a move (if it goes smoothly), or Act Under Fire (depending on how many things could go wrong with it)?

(And Act Under Fire is an all-purpose move for any time a player does something stressful/tense that might go wrong, and that isn't already covered by another type of move?)

But if Tom is a threat and he's fighting back, it's best to treat it as SBF?

Apocalypse World / Help me "get" the basic moves.
« on: April 04, 2012, 02:34:05 PM »
Really a "when a player announces an action, which of these moves do I call it?" question, about the various modes of force/coercion (Go Aggro, Seize By Force, Seduce/Manipulate).

Is Go Aggro always basically coercion by threat of force? Is the only difference between Go Aggro and Manipulate the difference between physical force and some other kind of force ("out of my way or I'll knife you" vs. "out of my way or I'll tell Duke how you've been sleeping with his girl")? Either way, with Go Aggro or Seduce/Manipulate, there's always a "choose A or B" element to it, where you're sticking somebody with a tough choice?

Is the consequence of a move ever another move? (i.e., if I Go Aggro on someone to try to bully them into giving me a case of supplies, and they decide to force my hand and suck it up, can I decide that my consequence is, instead of inflicting harm or whatever, to Seize the supplies By Force? Or is that stupid, and I should have just skipped directly to SBF if that was going to be my ultimate intent?)

What about situations where a character wants to use violence, and that's it-- no ultimatum like GA, no motive to acquire something like SBF? If Tom's a psychotic bastard and somebody needs to put him down, and I decide that somebody's got to be me... what's my move? Am I Seizing (his life) By Force?

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