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Apocalypse World / Re: Playbook: The Gladiator
« on: October 12, 2011, 06:26:07 PM »
I decided to go with The Spectacle.

I made a tri-fold PDF. I'll give it to anyone who:

A) Is in a AW game this week, and will make it available as a character choice. Tell me about it if anyone uses it.

B) Sends me any of the weirder AW playbooks that I don't have already: J.Walton's expansions, the Heralds of hell other than the Horseman, the Marmot

C) Follows through on a charming social good project. I think these things are a little silly. I encourage silliness.

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Apocalypse World / Healing moves and Hx
« on: October 07, 2011, 06:53:37 PM »
Lemme see if I get this straight:

Someone comes to the Angel with harm at 3:00.

The Angel wraps some gauze around their wounds.

The player chooses: Spend 4 days chilled out on narcostabs, or do their time like everyone else.

Possibility A:

They spend 4 days under the Angel's care chilled out on narcostabs. At the end of the 4 days, they remove 1 harm, and the Angel gets +1Hx with them.

Possibility B:

They 'do their time like everyone else'. After unspecified downtime, they heal a point of harm themselves. The Angel doesn't get any Hx with them. (Basically, there's no mechanical effects of receiving Angel's medical care, either Harm-based or Hx-based, if they don't want to be chilled out.)

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Apocalypse World / Re: Playbook: The Gladiator
« on: October 06, 2011, 09:54:37 PM »
That would be great Nathan! Can you message me your email?

I've been thinking that 'Gladiator' is a less optimal title because its pretty generic. I like the aspect of the other playbook titles in that you read them and you think 'What exactly is that about?'. I'm not actually good with coming up with names, but I was thinking something along the lines of:
- The Headliner
- The Spectacle

Also creating yet another name list:
Crocodile, Matador, Slug, Captain Bloody Hands, Felon, Dandy, Seller, Pyramid, Endless Or Prime

Peaches, Molly, Marlene, Garbo, Medusa, Obsession, Glitter Bitch, 2-faced, Trooper,  Celeb, Ada Loveless Or Diva

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Apocalypse World / Re: Playbook: The Gladiator
« on: October 05, 2011, 05:01:11 AM »
I'm gonna drop Arena Clown.

Change the advancement options:

Remove: Reputation/Artful and Gracious

Add: Get followers (Detail) and fortunes
and
Get an Establishment (Detail) and Fingers in Every Pie

I'm probably gonna tinker with the Fans surplus's abit. Also going to drop the Gifts one, I think Finger in Every Pie'd do that better.

I found a picture for the cover. I'm gonna try to assemble a PDF soon.

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Apocalypse World / Re: Improvements/Change Your Character To A New Type
« on: October 05, 2011, 02:08:49 AM »
As a MC in my game, I'd be inclined to say 'All advancements are unchecked after changing to a new type and the ungiven future is still open. But you need 5 more advancements before changing to a different character type again.'

I think my decision is motivated by:

A) That I want to encourage but not force the characters to gradually wind down and retire.

B) I think rapidly cycling through different playbooks would cause weird stuff to happen (Every other advancement could be a +1 to stat max 3, you could add a whole bunch of other characters, etc)

I think A is a better reason for my decision than B.

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Murderous Ghosts / Re: 2 playtest sessions
« on: October 05, 2011, 12:05:18 AM »
On the rules question, is that a 'I have no idea what you're talking about' mind boggling or a 'I'm not sure what the best answer' type of mind boggling?

What was happening mechanicly in the game was that we were on page 10, interacting with the ghost, and I wasn't sure if we met the conditions for "Is the other player trying to hide?' which results in the player turning to page 12.

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Murderous Ghosts / Re: 2 playtest sessions
« on: October 04, 2011, 09:15:13 PM »
Here's a rules question that came up:

My ghost, Frank, was like 'Shoot up these gross drugs to put the edge off.'(as part of an expectation). Billy, the PC was like 'Okay' and goes into a bathroom stall to pretend to shoot up the crank, but not really.

Does that mean he's 'Hiding'? I wasn't sure if hiding meant 'Prevent the ghost from being aware that you're in the room' or 'Get away from the ghost's sight.'

Also, related, if the player is faking that he's fuffilling expectations, is it up to us the players to decide if he tricks the ghost without any input from the system? Or did I miss something?

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Murderous Ghosts / 2 playtest sessions
« on: October 04, 2011, 08:51:14 PM »
I ran two games! I was the GM both times, I was mostly amused and my player was mostly frustrated. I would say most issues in the game were based on the social context as opposed to the rules text.

PLAYERS:

Eeyore! is a player that can really be into the fiddly bits of a game, sometimes to the exclusion of any meaningful color. He's really into burning wheel and can enjoy using the Fight! rules without a lot of color added to it. I think he tends to become more focused on the fiddly bits when frustration or competition becomes a part of the game, which tends to lead to the color being pushed into the background.
  But when that doesn't happen, he's usually a generator of some really cool color and we get along super well.

Sean (me) is a person who's really, really into color. Like I was all 'fuck yeah' when the whole 'color first' discussions broke out. One of my favorite bits of the AW game I'm running was when one of my players was like 'And my brainer girl has a penis'. I tend to have a love/hate relationship with fiddly bits. I think the play I run into that is most unsatisfying to me is when the color fades out and people are just sort of pushing a long a mechanical procedure, which happens sometimes when I am low on energy on other players get fixated on some fiddly bits.

SOCIAL CONTEXT
I kind of felt the game was doomed from the start, because I really wasn't in the mood to wig myself out. I just saw Blindness the other night, and while I enjoyed the film a lot, I also felt myself very satiated on being wigged out. During the before game set up, I thought 'What would wig myself out?' And I thought 'Rape camp'. And 'What do I not want to talk about right now?' 'Rape camp'. So instead I thought of vague and spooky-i-guess but not really scary stuff about junkies and mutilation and a birthday cake!

1st game
This game felt pretty solid to me, if not particularly inspired. One of the big mistakes I made was that the player digged in the rooms a couple of time, and I was thinking 'he's looking for the solution' and I said 'There isn't any Shadowgate* bullshit going on, for your information.' When what I should have been thinking of would have been 'These are opportunities to Reveal new Evidence! That's the best kind of Shadowgate bullshit imaginable and it should be happening.'

The player went back and forth between two rooms, trying to interact with the ghost, so there wasn't a whole lot of momentum towards escape, and eventually the ghost was all 'you need barbed wire eyes. For your health.' and he busted, end of game.

It clocked in at 27 minutes.

Second game

I ran the game with the same ghosts and thematic set up as the first game, since I didn't really explore them very much in the first game.

The game ran for an hour, but notably the second half was after fudging a death result. (The player was very frustrated, really wanted to see more of the game, I was down) For this reason you might consider the second half of the game not particularly applicable for playtesting purposes. This very moment the part you that is interested in receiving feedback for the rules as you've-written-them might be slapping your forehead going 'Fucking roleplayers.'

Toward the second half, color kind of faded from the fiction, and the game was basically "Spooky tortured thing tries to stab you" "I run", as the player became mostly invested in pursuing a narrowly-defined strategy and I mostly ran out of creative juice.

Eeyore described himself as frustrated. Occasinially 'RAR fuck this' frustrated, but mostly tolerable 'frickin' Boardwalk with motels' frustrated. It was the sort of expierience that afterward, he really wanted me to run it for other people, in a sort of 'I want to see them suffer as I have' sort of way.

Issues in both games

I hardly followed the 'Reveal new evidence of violence' directions past the initial room, even though it happened on the fiction a couple of times, and moreso had plenty of good opportunities to happen on the fiction. I was more concerned with the other rules of the game. This is too bad because I think it provided a nice creative springboard at the start.

We were confused about 'Tell the GM X personal information', whether it meant the player or the character. We played it player the first time, and character the second time. (Player was more interesting)

There were a small handful of instances where I'd flip 3 of my pages without having to say anything, and I thought 'this is a lot of flipping and not a lot of engaging with the other player'

Conversely, there were some pages (10?) Were there were a fuck lot of things that could be happening, and caused me to reread a couple of times to check whether one of those things could be happening.

Towards my future involvement with the game

I would definitely like to look more into it. I'm thinking of trying to run it with my brother next week when I'm feeling more hungry for the wigs, and hopefully playing it with somebody.

I think the game could be a really nice date game, in a similar slot as watching horror movies together. I think its better than Breaking the Ice etc etc in that regard because its less consciously about romance.

* Shadowgate is a point and click puzzle game that epitomizes the 'look around in crates until something kills you or you find the dongle' design of some heavily prepped rpgs. But at the same time, it had some particularly invocative examples of presenting-evidence-of-violence.

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Apocalypse World / Re: Playbooks as initial situation generators
« on: October 02, 2011, 09:33:34 PM »
Actually, in the campaign where I'm playing an angel, the problems the MC decided to give me ended up playing a strong role in shaping the campaign. The first-session loveletter I got was about why business was so good for me, and I ended up picking a terrible disease stemming from a ubiquitous mould caused by the setting's unceasing rain. That disease has gone on to be a serious plot point, including a cult that worships the mould and the rain that causes it.

So I suppose the angel may not be as automatic in the situation that it generates, but if the MC is thinkin', well.

The first-session love-letters sound totally sweet! Can you post a copy of yours, or other peoples?

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Apocalypse World / Playbooks as initial situation generators
« on: October 01, 2011, 11:26:05 PM »
Reading a couple of AP threads, it seems like there are a couple of playbooks that serve as an initial 'kick-off' of situation.

In the game I'm running, I'd say the Hardholder strongly performs in that role - Inserting a person who has a lot of responsibilities, probably has a good share of problems, but also has a lot of barter to throw at people to make problems smaller. In addition, they're set to make decisions that make problems for other people. In contrast, the Battlebabe, Gunlugger, Driver, Brainer and Angel don't have that sort of immediate situation creation. A lot of what the other characters have been doing is 'How do I respond to the problems/opportunities created by the Hardholders drama with their hold?

From the APs I've read, it seems like the Touchstone and Quarantine also serve that kind of role - The Touchstone inserting 'Person who wants to change everything!' and the quarantine as 'Something entirely different entering that people are likely to want to poke with a stick.'

Does this match your experiences? Differ strongly from them? Are there other playbooks that figure strongly into the game's immediate situation?

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Apocalypse World / Re: Help me with the Witch's special...
« on: September 29, 2011, 02:28:51 PM »
I like it, but I automatically like all mega man mechanics.

Is it too risky to ever be used?: I wouldn't use it if I had a Witch move that made the character for me. Other than that, I'd go for it.

Is it too complicated? To me, yeah. I would remove the concept of getting/losing basic moves. For NPC's, I would say 'You get their custom move' (OF COURSE they have a custom move, hold on a second *writewritewrite*)

Is it too mechanical? Maybe!

Is changing another character's move too powerful? Yes, and that's okay.

Do I think this means you can lose basic moves? Maaaaybe. And that's too complicated and funky for me.

Is there a more elegant wording that leads to the same results? State that you swap moves that they don't have. That automatically disables basic moves, and also doubling up on moves which would be weird. Also, you want to avoid the term 'special move' because that is confused with the 'special', which is a sex move.


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Apocalypse World / Re: Numbers
« on: September 26, 2011, 05:08:27 PM »
This is appealing to the bizarro robot part of my head so I'm going to participate even though I haven't finished a campaign.

Numbers of players: 6 (2 joined at the 3rd session)
Number of PCs: 6 in total, nothings weird happened with that.
Number of sessions: 4
Number of playbooks used: 6, nothing wierds happened yet.

Characters:
Doom Wolf: Gunlugger
Dashell Vega: Battlebabe
Straight Cougar: Driver
Allison: Hardholder
Charmer: Brainer
Ruth: Angel

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I've read a thread about what happens to the advancement options when a character changes playbooks, and I'm going to assume Vincent's answer would be 'Ask the fiction', which is both satisfying and frustrating because sometimes the fiction's answer is "I don't know about advancements dude, I'm mostly composed of fetish-outfit descriptions and morbid vignettes because that's the way you like me"

So what I would like to hear is: How did you handle it in play? What did the fiction tell you that made you handle it that way? Did the fiction tell you 'He just made THE transition. (Switch your character's type) is marked off.' or 'He just made A transition. (Switch your character's type) isn't marked off.' How did you feel about the result?

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Apocalypse World / Re: Playbook: The Gladiator
« on: September 16, 2011, 08:02:20 PM »
Allison:

Maybe it being too much and them liking it is a hit result!

Maybe it's a failed result! They like it they're just not useful for anything immediately afterward!

Sex is weird like that, especially when it generates a vague mechanical result with a small bit of possible fiction as the result of a die roll.

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Apocalypse World / Re: Playbook: The Gladiator
« on: September 15, 2011, 09:20:03 PM »
Heya! Thanks for the continued critique.

On the weird moves: I think Moment of Clarity works as the weird-supernatural-move that isn't optimized for the character. I dunno about Arena Clown. It intensely amused me when I imagined it and I have been flip-flopping on including it after ward.

On show-off: For NPCs, you're going to assume that they're going to be shocked and dropping the ball on what they're doing. For PCs, they're assumed to be having other more important things to worry about when you like kill an ostrich with their name on it in the thunderdome.

Special: Its not necessarily an orgy! A nice, quiet, threesome between friends would provide more than statistically average chance of getting a bonus instead of weirding out all of your buddies because you're manic.

I'm not sure what to do about Frenzy and Reputation. Minus the stat, they both work really well for the character. They're both away from the character's competent stats, and not in the obviously-other way that Moment of Clarity is. It would make sense to me that the character would Frenzy and have Reputation in a Hard way. Would it make sense to say "You get these moves, but you roll Hard". Would that be not lame? Would it be technically better if I just wrote up new Moves that were basically the same, but with Hard?

Also, those results were written before I was aware there was a little section in the book that said what those sorts of things mean. I thought it was like "Oh, +1 disease, I know what that looks like." I kind of want to cover the problems when people decide its cool to give you gifts. Like they're not just leaving a bunch of crap lying around next to all the other Apocalyptic crap. I mean the door step to your Gladiatorshack is covered in junk your promoter said you liked. And people throw arrowheads at you because they heard you collect them, but seriously those are sharp.

Community means that your fan base looks at each other and feels like they're a part of something. It means they (generally) don't rip each other off. It means they (generally) only sell each other their untainted supply. It means they (generally) make up after fist fights.

I'm not sure I should specify what +inability to deal means very much. I think your answer is totally appropriate sometimes. I think its totally inappropriate other times. How I'd label it would have to give people the room to make the right call on that.

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