When I read the move, I immediately pictured a smoky and dangerous bar where the skinner goes to work to allow another PC to steal the thing, or sneak through to the back room. A relaxed situation where it's possible to gain and hold the viewers' attention without them feeling threatened.

The way the ability is written I feel it's too open to gamey abuse. Where it says '...can do nothing but watch..' I'd add in 'provided they don't feel their lives, property or welfare are under threat.'

The way it's written, someone on fire will stand and watch a skinner take their gloves off.

Maybe Skinner should be SO BEAUTYFULL, that someone on fire will stand and watch...? ;)


Once more to the "NINJA WAY" ;)..:

What about the move "Artful & gracious" with SWORDMASTERY? I mean, can it be used to attack people like in the Asian movies - all with the outcome "has to give a gift" meaning hold over (any) weapon (any) enemy got before the move? Even NOT TO really HARM anyone - just to GO THROUGH them... See some kung-fu movie, where the hero goues through enemies, taking their weapons - and after that all are ALIVE (and even not hurted)... It is more SKINNER move then Battlebabe (or even Gunlugger), not?!

What about the move "Artful & gracious" with SWORDMASTERY? I mean, can it be used to attack people like in the Asian movies - all with the outcome "has to give a gift" meaning hold over (any) weapon (any) enemy got before the move? Even NOT TO really HARM anyone - just to GO THROUGH them... See some kung-fu movie, where the hero goues through enemies, taking their weapons - and after that all are ALIVE (and even not hurted)... It is more SKINNER move then Battlebabe (or even Gunlugger), not?!

I know, thah my question was more about Skinner ART (not "An Arresting Skinner"), but still I would like to know opinions of the othesr (I will put this q. also into discussion about Skinner - playbook focus...)

Pardon, dear Vincent, for so spamming. I wanted other opinions - mostly YOURs :) to my "solution" for the GAME BALANCE. Because I counted it with the Maestro D in consideration and with rules for gig, BARTER etc. - therefore I was thinking about it as worthy comment-LINK in associated forums.

Did I reach the BALANCE - fair play? Because the 2 to 4 gigs (meaning 2 to 12 barters) is too wide for my (and I mean near for anyone) narrative consideration...

What about the move "Artful & gracious" with SWORDMASTERY? I mean, can it be used to attack people like in the Asian movies - all with the outcome "has to give a gift" meaning hold over (any)weapon (any) enemy got before the move? Even NOT TO really AHRM anyone - just to GO THROUGH them... See eome kung-fu movie, where the hero goues through enemies, taking their weapons - and after that all are ALIVE (and even not hurted)... It is more SKINNER move then Battlebabe (or even Gunlugger), not?!

I understood, that Vincent posted "up to me", but after choosing any way for the Operator - what about GAME BALANCE and FAIR PLAY for other characters? The Angel has half crew (2 people if I remember well) and do not have to pay them! The Maestro'D has crew but paying only for events made (like gigs from the Operator). So after SETting the Operator's speed of income, what about the others?

My question therefore is, what is average crew's cut (etc.) for good game BALANCE with the other characters - possibilities?

Migty Munin :), as you wrote, for "rich" seting that means allowing the Operator paying 1 barter for even as much as 4 gigs (which can be 3 barters each!) and having help for obligation(s) for free (!). But after that, then also the Angel could got Infirmary (and crew for free for it) easyly and also the resupply (!) etc. Shortly: enough barter for any character - and now I mean by the word barter something practical and not only some shared value nor undefined valuable(s)-service(s).
    Did I undertood your post well? It sems strange, but it ínterested me - the idea of RICH BUT APOCALYPSE WORLD ;). "Barters are enough as it seems, but is there enoufgh of-from YOU to prevail, progres, procreate (3p;))...?" Do you like that idea also?

Thank you both, Decivre and Daniel! :)

I am happy more than enough for even some answers - even if they do not mechanical help and just put the question into roleplaying as Daniel posted.

But the rules should be for fair play and easier imagination - narative, roleplay etc. So if the word CREW seem to me more as employers (remember, that I have such crews in my real life and I am paying them etc.), but for fair play they should NOT SUCH BELONG to the Operator, than it should be noted in the rules. So on one side crew as employees - even PART TIME JOBs ;) as it sems - could be LESS LOYAL to the Operator than a gang of COMRADES etc. is LOYAL to the Chopper. On the other hand the Chopper seems like need some lever to the loyality - se the "Alpha dog" move, therefore the gang NOT BELONGS to the Chopper as he is NOT PAYING the gang etc. He even can GETTING VALUABLES FROM THE GANG by the move "Fucking thieves". Therefore I am not sure, WHAT IS  FAIR: to let the Oparetor USING the crew as tool - like employees, or only as boost - participating as posted before.

I am open for each solution and even other solution for other scenario, but I want to  be sure that the players see each solution in appropriate scenarion as fair play.

Lastly, please remember, that I am preparing SUPER SCENARIO for "RESOURCE -RESUPPLY RUN", which will need also the gig - barter - cut questions answered. If you got all AW books (Limited Edition, the AW book for CHILDREN I AW and even scenario from Vincent - *Hatched city*) and go through the rules more times as i did (!:)), you will see some SCENARIO RELATED RULES - some pieces of Apocalypse World how it was imagined by the author of it. For example see the Chopper fluff text giving even MORE THAN ENOUGH AMMO and and weapons into the game as whole - that means, it should be that way in each scenario, because Apocalypse World without shooting scenes will be like a modern movie without colors ;(.

I prepared sample scenarios from nearly absolute apocalypse, to apocalypse as nice as possible for being still the Apocalypse World ;).
     The first case - *absolutely AW* ;) : 1 barter for living expenses means just some shleter, nerly not enough of nearly not drinkable water and nearly not edible food - or DIY like rat traps and a knife, lighter and permition for using it all with wood scavanged (better Do It Yourself = DIY).
     The secon case - *alright AW* :) : 1 barter for living expenses means squat standard according present time, drinkable water even for some washing (hey, we are washing in drinkable water in my country - asking Apocalypse to happen, not?!:(...), food functional also for the taste etc. Instead of DIY approach, there is more community conections, services and SUPPLY CHAINS. Just few and short and not much and long as in present time, but so short and so few as would be after even "nice" apocalypse.

But 1 barter in each scenario is 1 barter FOR ALL usage - RULES: In the 1st scenario are also less weapons and therefore good gun is for 1 barter and also it is not easy to take over a shelter (remember the traps) and therefore also the shelter is for 1 barter. In the 2nd scenario is more guns but also more of other supplies, therefore although good gun is cheaper than in the first scenario, but also the other supply is cheaper, it is easier to take over a squat (not mentioned just a shleter) and so on.
     And I can change the economics in a way that in 1st scenario would be more guns and still letting good gun for 1 barter - because although gun can be obtained more easyly, than it is not so easy to use, having repaired - and some sheleter(s) can then be obtained easily than by take over. Also in the 2nd scenario can be less guns, but then for not letting a gun cost more than 1 barter, I could just change the other values in opposite direction as above mentioned. /// Uff, do you see it all? :) ///

Therefore it IS IMPORTANT at least for me and the super scenario ;) how much of BARTER FROM ANY VALUABLEs the Operator is giving to the crew in measure of how much the crew making for (even as WITH) the Operator.

Is anyone willing to helping me more directly with the SUPER SCENARIO?! :)  - also as TEMPLATE for scenarios making as was the 1st and 2nd mentioned above.

All answers helped me - thank to all of you...

But also Vincent himself answered me (!:)) http://apocalypse-world.com/forums/index.php?topic=6526.msg29004#msg29004.

The cut is from 2-4 gigs, which is still too wide for me (2-4 gigs times 1-3 barters). And BATER IS MORE FIXED VALUE than is posted above - it JUST DEPENDS AT SETTING, but BY RULES IT IS DEFINED AS ONE MONTH LIVING EXPENSES and other BASE RESOURCES. The quality of living (from just some shelter to squat standard of present time;)) also depends at the setting, but it is 1 barter monthly anyway. Also even with pacifist community, the 1 barter for good gun is still valid - beacause of hunting at least. And pacifist commnity in Apocalypse world sounds strange (but it is interesting;) - see the Solace, or at least the Skinner).

Which is interesting (or even important) also is Vincent's answer for that the Operator has to participate in the gigs! So my imagnation of also independent usage of he crew was too much :(.
     But I am still thinking that way, beacause I am doing that (living that way) in my real life and I am quite sure, that I will be able to proceed with that even after the Apocalypse. I am well prepared - and I am using the AW more like psychological simulator than just a game ;). Also that is my reason for being more PRECISE - the other reason is my prearation of "RESOURCES RESUPPLY RUN - SETTING SCENARIOs" :). Example efect: *Guns and ammo is here (see the Chopper), but who making the new ones (if any NEW GUNS and not just amo)?*

We should not forgetting how long are the supply chains - or is somene from you able to make ammo (at least) by self (handmade)? ;) By the way - I think, that the Apocalypse is coming also because of that, :(.

I am sending my gratitude for all answers and congratulation to Vincent for so great game!:)

I hope, that I will be able to make nice negotiation etc. with the *"A couple three four" is a colloquialism that means 2-4.*. But it is still to vague to me. Dear Vincent, thank you for the GIG ANSWER etc., but I asked more BARTERs QUESTION - because one gig can be 1 barter or 3 barters.
     So 2-4 times 1-3 is still too wide for me - othervise AW is quite precise - especially in the question of what any character can do... I can imagine cool crew asking for 1 barter after 4 gigs - if the "hardest" gig in the set is for 2 barter and if that gig is no more than 2 times in he set. But what about  cruel crew asking 1 barter after 2 gigs for 1 barter each? Operating crew which s more cool or more cruel - new valuse for AW? ;) - is much diferent, even to much - not?
     I am trying to tell that the rules should be more helpfull in that part for making "manual" or at least "borders" for posibilities - narrative etc.

But as I showed above, I can just describe members of crew and therefore the crew as whole by the cool / cruel values. And because of he Apocalypse, then even the cool would me more "cold" ;).

Because I am preparing "RESOURCE _RESUPPLY RUN SETTING - SCENARIOs", than the barter and gigs questions are very important for me. The rules HAS SETTINGs for example with guns and ammo - so someone has to making them, which could be gigs from honest work to technical work etc.