hold 1+1

What does "on a 10+ hold 1+1" mean?

It means hold 1, and take +1forward.

It's part of the Bonefeel move in the Savvyhead playbook, see p.76 or 231.

Thanks Johnstone.

It means hold 1, and take +1forward.

It's part of the Bonefeel move in the Savvyhead playbook, see p.76 or 231.

So, hold 1 and take +1forward means you get +2 to that first roll and then +1 to every roll after that?

You spend your hold to [do x]. If your hold was 1+1, you also take +1 forward for the first roll thereafter.

It should be right there in the text of the move. There are a couple of moves where you might hold 1+1, and I made sure to write an explanation into them.

Quote from: Johnstone on September 01, 2010, 02:57:53 PM

It means hold 1, and take +1forward.

It's part of the Bonefeel move in the Savvyhead playbook, see p.76 or 231.

So, hold 1 and take +1forward means you get +2 to that first roll and then +1 to every roll after that?

Nope, you just hold 1 per Bonefeel (you get to spend the hold to be somewhere with proper tools and knowledge) and +1 forward means "take +1 to your next roll."

crossposted with Vincent.

You spend your hold to [do x]. If your hold was 1+1, you also take +1 forward for the first roll thereafter.

It should be right there in the text of the move. There are a couple of moves where you might hold 1+1, and I made sure to write an explanation into them.

Got it.  I skimmed the text while doing 3 other things.  Got it.  Thanks.

Cool! Happy to help.

The cryptic shorthand really throws me.

The cryptic shorthand really throws me.

Once I've read it and internalized it, it really makes a lot of sense to me. "Hold x" is an established game mechanic, and always does the same thing (you have a "point" to spend to do something, as per the move), and "+X" is also an established game mechanic and always does the same thing: it's a modification to a roll. There's no + or - that doesn't have to do with a roll. So I read "Hold1+1" and see, ah, ok, I Hold 1 and get +1 to some roll. Obviously I have to look at the move to understand what the hold and the roll are, but I think the shorthand isn't overly obtuse.

- and + are sometimes mathematical operators and sometimes not. 1-armor includes an unnecessary hyphen and -1armor means subtract one. + can mean "or more" or "add" or "and".

True, but the conventions are consistent. Once you internalise what it means (which does take more than a skim), it's very precise and concise language. I actually have the opposite experience as you: when I see that stuff, I go "oh good, I know exactly what that means".

(And sometimes that "exactly what it means" includes "I now know to look up detail X in the move".)