Actually they do. They say that on a miss the GM has a golden opportunity, and that a GO is a move as hard as the gm likes.

You are right, as I stated it, I was very wrong... My point, poorly stated was this...

I found it difficult to find what happens on a miss besides a miss in the book. There is a tremendously good combat example, except it never covers a miss..but plenty of times on a partial hit.   

In fact, looking at a supplement they have a creature with poison. On a 10+ for con you are OK...On a 7-9 the players picks two.. Nothing is said on a 6-.   

Go with the assumption you do not know what happens on a 6- other than a miss, assume you have never played anything but DND, and go through the rules page by page and see how quickly you come to the right idea in clear terms.

It could be just me. :)

So "on a hit" is a broad term including on rolls above 7.

Also, I don't seem to find this explanation in the rules proper.

Yeah, I had the same problem....Think about it this way....
10+ The player succeeds
6-   The enemy succeeds
7-9 They both succeed..or the player just partially succeeds

Beyond just combat, you can think about the enemy as being a trap...poison...a hidden item...etc.

Also, the enemy succeeding means the creature makes a move ...it could be destroying something, knocking a character down, etc....up to and including dealing damage.

I made a snap judgement to run the module right then and there. I had no prep time. ZERO, I mean...I opened it up an ran it right then and there. What i had was an old school DnD module that I ran a couple times years ago.

So yeah, it would have been nice to have some to create and flesh out impending dooms, prewritten fronts, more descriptive stuff in the rooms, and a fully developed  thesis on the existential reasons for secret doors, etc, etc. etc.  But that was beyond what I had and what I was capable of.

I really don't have the ability to create detailed scenes...nor the desire to come up with a detail way of triggering a mechanism when nothing is stated in the text.  I wish I could, but i cant. What I have is a a module that on the map is an "S", all I really care about is knowing what is the proper mechanic to handle looking for finding that secret door. There seems to be a number of items that are part and parcel to the genre that are left out of the rules. And maybe for you story type guys, you have your ways of handling that, but that isn't always so clear for me coming from a mechanical system. I think based on the wide range of responses to this, there is a gap since basically each person has given a different take on how to handle the situation.

I do like the idea of the failure to mean something bad, and that it will trigger a move. I think that it would make people more conservative about how often Discern Realities is used. I think that it would make sense to perhaps even trigger moves that are not directly related to what the characters are doing. I have never been a fan of wandering monsters, and they didn't make sense in this scenario, but that may be a good use of a hard move...failure with a discern realities.

I do appreciate everybody answering, and I got something from everybody who responded...You are a great group of guys.

Why do you feel they are discovering secret doors too easily? More over: what do you use secret doors for?

Well, if ever room the first player blows a roll, the second person rolls. If that person fails then the next person rolls, etc...until a success.  Then, in effect every secret door is always found and then there is no such thing as a secret door.

I do like the advice of other player aiding....Actually there is a bunch of good advice from everybody.

I have been using Discern Realities for them to seach for secret doors. They seem to discover them too easily...especially if multiple people are doing the Discern Reality move. 

Thoughts????

Here is my initial run....feel free to chime in...

Phial of black lotus
Inhale - Defy Danger +INT
Character inhaling the powder will suffer significant an horrifying visions. A failing throw will result in madness which will slowly fade. A partial success gains (1) one benefit but with madness or gaining the notice of extra dimensional  being. A full success gains a two benefits without too much after-affect other than being unconscious

• Gain sprout lore into some mystic area
• Find a creature roaming the dark pathways..perhaps tie to later summoning spell.
• +1 forward for the rest of the adventure on magic rolls

What? Like this :)

That....is.....EVIL!  :)