I want to point out that in our most recent set of combats I (the thief) was rendered useless via a series of follies and circumstances.  I'm not complaining at all but it was a way to reduce that party's effectiveness and still keep in the fiction.  Though, I nearly accidentally got out of the mummy's curse with a halfling snack unknowingly.  Even if I had I still would have been equally useless vs the big baddy since I had no inscribed weapon to fight with. 

We have no cleric and I was cursed (i guess) and I couldn't heal the damage it did to me.  Which was 20 of my 27hp.  So I had to wait until we got back to town to be healed up.  After this we had a huge battle with gnoll type men followed by the big scary bat lady.  This was all in a dream world where nothing was real.  While the other three were unaffected in they styles (for the most part) this knocked out 1/4 of the party.  Unless I wanted to risk dying on a flubbed roll trying to give someone a +1 on something.

There are ways around hurting the party and you've done them.

but I wanted to eat hard tack :(

How asleep is a "light sleep"?  If I stab a guy in the middle of combat w/ the sleep poison do they sleep instantly, and if so for how long? 

How does hitting a group with sleep work?  Or any poison for that matter. 

We also had some argument about Daze.  If done in battle how long would it last?  If it is a monster that is being attacked will Daze just not take effect?  I can see it being good for crowd control on a single monster, but it seems pointless (perhaps purposely so) to do it on the monster the warrior is in combat with.

-side note-  Rapiers are still weight 2 (more than a spear).  They're known for being dainty swords.

i like to imagine a sumo jumping off a building holding a dagger out would cause a lot of trauma... though that's true whether or not you're the one being landed on.

As it is Tricky seems to be, in most dire situations, common sense.  I personally know very little about poison, but I do know how to rub oil on something without getting messy or how to put salt on food (poisoning food).  To me having a move for thief worded in this way makes anyone who doesn't have the ability in these situations a spaz among idiots. Something like knowing your poison must be ingested, because you created it, so when you're alone and have time to think you rub said poison on a candle to make sure they eat it; assuming you didn't take this move.  This being said using poison in any regard without poisoner should be done at high risk.

I will say this.  A move titled Tricky has big implications that it is something that I want to get every time.  However, the move as it is now is borderline tricky at best.  I do agree that sneaking into somewhere and poisoning food (something I did already in our game) can be entertaining/effective but perhaps doesn't require it's own move.  Something called Tricky sounds fancy and should be clever.

I say this full aware that changes are still in the works and space cut a lot out, however, I want to give my perspective as the thief of the group.  I think rangers could do their "called shot" even if someone knew they were there, while thieves can only do it before the battle.  I think this is a big enough difference that you wouldn't take the shine off of rangers.  Rangers are more than bow fighters.  They can track, dual wield, hide, and a ton of emphasis on animal companions and favored enemies. 

Currently, from just what's there now, a thief can be a thug (Forcing high str, dex, and con so you can backstab, perhaps sneak around, and not die when you will fail) or a merchant type know their way around wares.  While i'm full aware that both of those archetypes can be thieves one is a dumb brute and the other something I don't want to deal with in real life (let alone fantasy).  If this is a thief in this game then perhaps thief isn't for me here. 

Last rule set a thief could also start getting better than anyone with magic items.  I only bring this up again because it fit my stats as I felt out the system and allowed me to find a niche in the group.  I wasn't the big damage dealer (1/4 - 1/5 the warrior and now 1/3 - 1/4) I couldn't heal, buff or cast spells.  I was comic relief and a passive safety net vs traps.  I felt I had to take poisoner because at the time only one of us could do damage; granted it was due to the choices of the players, but a fact none the less.  Getting into magic items was a good alternate route that allows for being mischievous yet still useful to the group and a whole lot less boring than "let me know when I step on a trap" as my main deal.

I just noticed that thieves couldn't hide, thought it was put under dex until I saw that rangers could so now thieves, the stealthy people who backstab, aren't good at hiding or are as subtle as a warrior. 

I would like to bring up a system related note I've seen for a while.  With Evasion.  I love it with the exception that I will never have dex marked as a thief so I remove one of my possible ways to gain xp.  I really think a thief needs this as to not become a smear on the wall, especially those poor folk who melee. 

Our campaign doesn't lend to it but I do want to note that the move heist is awesome.  Probably my favorite of all moves of any class because of what it allows the group to start doing.  I may never use it, but with the updated list of moves I'll probably end up with this one with the off chance i get to use it once ever.  Except perhaps escape route. 

My thoughts are a bit scattered, even when I write, and I tend to over exaggerate to make a point but I hope mine isn't lost in what's above.  I also tend to not post about what I think is good.  Take it in the vein that I like what I don't talk about.

I want to apologize if this has been answered, since I only check on occasion because others are more proactive.  

Can you explain what defensive roll for thief means?  as I understand avoiding something means taking no damage, but I may be too tired to realize the important angle.  

Thanks