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Monsterhearts / Re: Skin Deep
« on: July 27, 2010, 09:50:03 PM »
Thanks, Maxwell!

No problem! I'm having a lot of fun tossing ideas around.

By the way, on my last comment about the Ghost I was thinking more of a reventant/the Crow style of ghost, but if we are talking about the incorporeal kind (Casper), I change my suggestion to: he cannot stand the presence of the living and he becomes mad and wants to push everyone away, so he starts behaving like in Poltergeist: breaking shit up, throwing knives at people, and so on.

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Monsterhearts / Re: Skin Deep
« on: July 27, 2010, 09:14:50 PM »
More ideas:

Regarding the Mortals: How about another kind of mortal who is a Hunter? He either comes from a family of hunters, or his family was all slayed by a vampire/werewolf/whatever and he wants to kill them all as revenge. Of course, eventually he will fall in love with a character of the kind he is hunting.

Regarding the Darkest Ghost: Instead of fading away, maybe his soul starts to depart his body and he starts behaving like a mindless zombie or a robot. I think this character could appeal a lot to the goth kids and the "the Crow" fans, so we should try to think of some way they'd like to angst.

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Monsterhearts / Re: Skin Deep
« on: July 27, 2010, 09:02:03 PM »
Joe: great, I completely agree with your comments and think your descriptions of the skins are great and inspiring.

Since you ask, I have mixed feelings about the otherworlders...

(Disclaimer: I'm just tossing ideas here blindly.)

1- The Angel/Demon/Infernal kind: one problem is they come from the gawd and you are messing with religious stuff here, which might be touchy for some. Also they are immortal, unkillable spiritual beings with powers beyond our comprehension, so yeah. Still using them has some appeal, and I can see some ways in which we could pull them off:

a) Fallen angel/Outcast demon: maybe a young or lesser angel or demon who messed up and "lose his wings" (losing most of his powers) and was thrown, wounded, to the mortal world to fix things or to redeem himself.

b) Incubi and Succubi: if we have demons we totally must have those! Their whole point is sexual shenanigans.

c) I will never admit liking the TV series "Charmed", but I've seen a couple of episodes and they have this sort of angels they call "White Lights" who are like healers and guides, and they have demons and all. They manage to pull it off somehow. Any thoughts on those?

d) Your description of the infernals would work. If I understand correctly, they seem to me to be mortals who made a pact with the devil and gained some power or something they wanted, but in exchange they became damned and must keep repaying him forever?


2- Fae : your description of the fae is really interesting, but I still don't quite "see" them. Do they have pointy ears? Are they shapeshifting? What are they doing here? Maybe they are like mischievous foolish playful beings, whose motivations we cannot understand, like leprechauns or pixies?


Also now when looking at what I wrote above, it seems like most of the themes I can figure out for this otherworlders are rather adult themes, slightly off the genre. Maybe some of them would be great as antagonists or as mentors/guides/oracles, people who understand much more of the world or are beyond or ahead of the characters. They could represent the "cool adult" archetype (i.e.: normal adults are represented by the vanilla mortals, a gray mass in the background who don't understand us, but there are a few cool adults who understand us and can teach us things that we actually want to know and who are great to be around).

One problem I have right now when thinking about this stuff is I cannot recall any of this kind of characters from the teen drama media, so maybe if we could refer to some example material we could figure them out?


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Monsterhearts / Re: Skin Deep
« on: July 27, 2010, 08:03:41 PM »
Hi. If you allow me I'll add some suggestions and comments:

1- I don't really love your definition of Ghost as demon, angel, and so on. It does not seem to fit what you'd usually call a ghost. Otherwolder sounds cool, maybe it includes people that come from another plane of existence (Heaven, Hell, the Faery World...)

2- Revenant: a kid who died or was killed but he left something unfinished, so he came back from the other side and dug his way up the grave to avenge the dead of his girlfriend or family or whatever (think like the teen Crow).

3- I am also not a big fan of the alien, it seems to break the world too much.

4- Homunculus: I don't know what do you mean by that one, but it sounds to me like some sort of puppet or automaton or empty shell with no soul, so he cannot love. Seems like totally anti-genre, but maybe it's possible to pull it off like the Tin-man or Data, trying to understand feelings or to discover the meaning of love.

5- The Harry Potter-ish style of Wizard? Or is it covered by the witch? Or I'm going totally off-genre here?

6- Ghoul: how would that one work? Maybe it's some kind of cannibalistic feral kid who lives in the wilderness?

7- The costumed superhero does not fit the genre, but maybe something like in Heroes? There were some elements of teen drama in the series, like the cheerleader hero and her boyfriend, and the Mexican siblings. They could be like kids who are born with psychic powers and the government seeks them to experiment with them, so they must remain in the dark and they are drawn to each other for protection. I would avoid the word mutants, which points directly to X-men in my mind, with all the wrong kinds of associations. An example would be the girlfriend of Hellboy in the movies, who has this pyrokinetic powers but she must always restrain herself or elsewhere she will blow the place up (until she finally accepts that she is different and starts to learn how to control it).


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Monsterhearts / Re: Let's Fight About Source Material
« on: July 27, 2010, 07:23:23 PM »
Hi there. Just dropping by to say I think this idea is awesome. Right now out there there are millions of kids creating stories about vampires and wizards in different forms of proto-roleplaying like freeform forum play and collaborative fan-fiction writing. They could easily be converted into role-players if something like this project goes big and appeals to them, adding legions of well-needed young people to our hobby.

We can despise the base material and call it sub-literature and sub-culture, but what did other people think of us when we dreamed about being barbarians killing dragons in dark corridors to loot their gold? The only difference between our old fantasy and this new kind of fantasy is that the later appeals to girls also, so it's made of win.

Just my two cents here.

In summary, keep it up and good luck.

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