Barf Forth Apocalyptica

the swamp provides => the preapocalypse => Topic started by: lumpley on June 20, 2010, 05:21:25 PM

Title: welcome to the preapocalypse
Post by: lumpley on June 20, 2010, 05:21:25 PM
Today's the day! Sometime before I turn in for the night, I'm going to open preorders and pre-print PDF sales. I'll announce it in this thread.

In this forum, ask whatever you like about preorders and the pre-print PDF, but please ask straight-up rules questions up in the regular barf forth forum. Once the preorder period ends, I'm going to close up this forum, so it's better to have more general conversations elsewhere.

Once you have the pre-print PDF, I'd be grateful if you'd point some things out to me, as you spot them:
- Typos
- Forward references
- Bad page references
- Missing index entries

Thanks! I'm so excited I can hardly write.

-Vincent
Title: Re: welcome to the preapocalypse
Post by: John Harper on June 20, 2010, 06:11:58 PM
Wonderful news! I can't wait.
Title: Re: welcome to the preapocalypse
Post by: lumpley on June 20, 2010, 06:52:46 PM
...And live!

Apocalypse World preorders (http://theunstore.com/index.php/unstore/game/83)

-Vincent
Title: Re: welcome to the preapocalypse
Post by: Matt Wilson on June 20, 2010, 07:18:02 PM
for those of us who have not used our forge bookshelf accounts in like 5 years and have no idea what the login info is, could you provide the game by other means?
Title: Re: welcome to the preapocalypse
Post by: lumpley on June 20, 2010, 07:23:13 PM
If necessary!

However, first:

Your Forge Bookshelf login email is the same as your PayPal email address.

If you go to the bookshelf and hit "Get new password," the bookshelf will email you a fresh new password.

If that doesn't work out for you for some reason, then yes, email me and I'll get you the files.

-Vincent
Title: Re: welcome to the preapocalypse
Post by: John Harper on June 20, 2010, 07:24:25 PM
Vincent: What do you mean by 'Forward references?' I see lots of references to '+1 forward' all over.
Title: Re: welcome to the preapocalypse
Post by: lumpley on June 20, 2010, 07:28:22 PM
Oh, like, um, places where I've reordered the text or been stupid or something so that I expect you to know something I haven't introduced yet. Like if I said "when you roll a highlighted stat..." without first mentioning that you have highlighted stats.

(I think those are called forward references, aren't they?)

-Vincent
Title: Re: welcome to the preapocalypse
Post by: Chris on June 20, 2010, 07:40:37 PM
Not getting a link to order while in the Bookshelf. Just "Find Out More"
Title: Re: welcome to the preapocalypse
Post by: Chris on June 20, 2010, 07:42:30 PM
Nevermind. Duh.
Title: Re: welcome to the preapocalypse
Post by: John Harper on June 20, 2010, 08:25:26 PM
Page 113:

Weird hyphenation in this line:

(1) barf apocalyptica upon it, by adding detail-
sand imagery  of your own;


Also looks like two spaces after "imagery," there.
Title: Re: welcome to the preapocalypse
Post by: John Harper on June 20, 2010, 08:29:55 PM
Page 114:

This line reads strangely to me:

There are no status quos in Apocalypse World! Even life doesn’t always suck.


Shouldn't it be something like "There are no status quos in Apocalypse World! Even that life sucks." ?
Title: Re: welcome to the preapocalypse
Post by: lumpley on June 20, 2010, 08:34:30 PM
Even life doesn’t always suck.

Ha ha! I kept trying to edit that sentence, but always came back around to it. Finally I was like, fuck it, that's the sentence you want to be?

-Vincent
Title: Re: welcome to the preapocalypse
Post by: Hans Chung-Otterson on June 20, 2010, 10:41:49 PM
Do you have an idea when preorders will close?
Title: Re: welcome to the preapocalypse
Post by: Piers on June 20, 2010, 10:52:17 PM
"Life doesn't always suck, even"?

And while my pedantic hat on, just in case you care, status quos doesn't make any (Latin grammatical) sense. Technically the status quo is the whole (stable) situation beforehand. The correct plural is stati quibus, but of course no-one would have any idea what that meant, whereas it is more or less clear as it stands.

And: p. 121, 2nd para. from bottom: miss-use of ellipse. It is not the singular of ellipses--that's ellipsis.
Title: Re: welcome to the preapocalypse
Post by: Piers on June 20, 2010, 11:14:38 PM
p. 208: an un-updated example of changing Hx at the end of the session:

Keeler, however, was completely appalled by what Marie said,
and withdrew from her abruptly. Marie didn’t even notice but
kept right on talking. Keeler’s player tells Marie’s to take -1Hx.
Title: Re: welcome to the preapocalypse
Post by: John Harper on June 21, 2010, 04:13:43 AM
p. 284:

Diagram of seduce or manipulate refers to the older version of the move.
Title: Re: welcome to the preapocalypse
Post by: Gregor Vuga on June 21, 2010, 05:07:13 AM
Fuck yeah! I just pre-ordered the pdf+print deal. Just one question, how do you deliver the pdfs? Do I get a download link in the mail? Because my Paypal account is linked to an old address I don't really use anymore and access only via a browser mailbox, so I hope that won't be a problem.
Title: Re: welcome to the preapocalypse
Post by: Gregor Vuga on June 21, 2010, 09:59:04 AM
Ah, ok, nevermind, got it through the unstore. Cool.
Title: Re: welcome to the preapocalypse
Post by: lumpley on June 21, 2010, 10:24:57 AM
I'm glad!

-Vincent
Title: Re: welcome to the preapocalypse
Post by: PeterBB on June 21, 2010, 04:54:49 PM
The rules for gangs on 169 and the example on 170 contradict each other. According to 169, a gang can take up to 4-harm and not break up if it has a strong, present leader. But the example on 170 mentions that the gang would break up if it took 4-harm, even though it has a strong, present leader.
Title: Re: welcome to the preapocalypse
Post by: benhimself on June 22, 2010, 01:08:41 AM
Example of moves snowballing on page 157, Marie gets a 7-9 on seizing by force, only picks one.
Title: Re: welcome to the preapocalypse
Post by: Simon JB on June 22, 2010, 07:45:27 AM
Vincent,
I might have updated my paypal email address after I made the purchase but before I registered at the bookshelf (which is where I will get the pdf, right?), so the addresses might not look the same.
Will you let me know if you haven't got an order from me that is all in order (so to speak ;) )?
Title: Re: welcome to the preapocalypse
Post by: lumpley on June 22, 2010, 08:01:20 AM
Hey Simon.

I just processed your order, like, ten minutes ago. If all's well with you, all's well with me. Otherwise, email me and tell me the correct address, I'll fix it.

Thanks!

-Vincent
Title: Re: welcome to the preapocalypse
Post by: Simon JB on June 22, 2010, 08:29:12 AM
Great stuff! Supposing everything is correct, do I need to do anything other than sit and stare at my inbox waiting for it to go 'pling'? Like look for a link on the bookshelf page or something?
Title: Re: welcome to the preapocalypse
Post by: lumpley on June 22, 2010, 08:35:48 AM
I guess so! I sent you a form letter, you should have received it an hour ago. Email me with your correct email address, I'll try again.

-Vincent
Title: Re: welcome to the preapocalypse
Post by: Simon JB on June 22, 2010, 08:39:29 AM
Sent. My address is also in my profile here. (Damn me for not updating my paypal profile before buying.)
Title: Re: welcome to the preapocalypse
Post by: Simon JB on June 22, 2010, 09:05:57 AM
Got it now! I found the autogenerated account and now I'm happily reading it. :)
Title: Re: welcome to the preapocalypse
Post by: Dionysus on June 23, 2010, 11:50:44 AM
You know - a couple of things I miss:
The whole page character sheet.
Templates for the 1st session, and for Front creation.
Title: Re: welcome to the preapocalypse
Post by: lumpley on June 23, 2010, 12:51:54 PM
To come!

The first session worksheet is at apocalypse-world.com (http://apocalypse-world.com). The rest will be soon.

-Vincent
Title: Re: welcome to the preapocalypse
Post by: John Harper on June 23, 2010, 03:43:12 PM
Everyone asked me this at GPNW, and I just don't know.

Why are the small character sheets in the MC book, in their respective character-type sections? They don't seem to serve a purpose. It's a head-scratcher.
Title: Re: welcome to the preapocalypse
Post by: Gregor Vuga on June 23, 2010, 04:12:45 PM
You can print them from the pdf and use as a playbook/sheet at the same time. At least we did that...
Title: Re: welcome to the preapocalypse
Post by: Simon JB on June 24, 2010, 02:20:30 PM
Even life doesn’t always suck.

Ha ha! I kept trying to edit that sentence, but always came back around to it. Finally I was like, fuck it, that's the sentence you want to be?

-Vincent

I suppose you already discarded "not even life always sucks" or "not even life sucks all the time"? Personally I like the way it reads now, but if you native speakers think it's odd I guess you're right.
Title: Re: welcome to the preapocalypse
Post by: Bret on June 24, 2010, 02:23:58 PM
It reads just fine to me. Shit on proper grammar.
Title: Re: welcome to the preapocalypse
Post by: lumpley on August 10, 2010, 07:05:46 AM
...And done. It's no longer the preapocalypse.

Thanks, everybody!