Barf Forth Apocalyptica
barf forth apocalyptica => Apocalypse World => Topic started by: kaiserjez on October 20, 2010, 03:23:04 AM
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Yo,
I got myslef a copy of the rules (awesome by the way!) with a copy of the Faceless playbook (awesome+) off of the marvelous Graham Walmsley (cheers Graham!) but I keep on seeing mention of a Maestro D' on these forums. Who is this dude (or dudette)?
More importantly, is there a way I can get my grubby mitts on a copy of the playbook?
And on a related note, I've been making some laminated copies of the playbooks for when I MC games of AW at cons, as I'm UK based when I print the playbooks out they are a slightly different size to the American ones I got with my rules (A4 as opposed to foolscap(sp?)). Is there anyway to get a pdf copy of the Faceless playbook just so's I can make them all the same size and, you know, look all purty like?
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The Maestro D' is a character playbook you get for either having helped playtest the game, or pre-ordering it.
Not possible to get now, unless you build a machine to go back in time! Or, I dunno, someone gives it to you.
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Curses! Guess I'll have to complete my work on the Temporal Distortion Machine I've been working on. Lets hope it doesn't result in all the alternative Earths crashing into ours and creating some sort of weird apocalypse with all sorts of mutations constantly happening (cause lets face it - Gamma World sucks when compared to Apocalypse World!).
Mind you this limited edition playbook thing is kinda like the extra cards for Gamma World - except for tha fact I actually want these of course!
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So I've already spoken my opinion on the exclusive playbooks and I won't go into that again...
but this seems like a good time to ask another question. Are we allowed to make copies of our exclusive playbooks and trade them to other people for copies of different exclusive playbooks?
Because if so, kaiserjez, I'd send you a copy of my Maestro D' for your Faceless.
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Who would stop you?
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I will. I will hunt you all to the ends of the earth. I will track you like vermin, the scent of your cowardice and betrayal thick and redolent in my flaring nostrils.
so yeah. Don't do it. n'stuff. This little act of humour actually made me think that there seems should be a splat called "Driven" or something of the like: Someone following revenge, or some goal to the exception of all else. Sounds very z-axis to me, no?
Of course, I might just be spouting off something someone is already doing. I'm known to do such things.
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Who would stop you?
Technically it would be a violation of Vincent's copyright. Now, I've got all kind of opinions of copyright law that there is absolutely no reason to go into here... but what it boils down to, to me, is that despite those opinions and my opinions on this "exclusivity" business, I respect Vincent, so if he said he didn't want people trading copies, I'd go "Okay, cool, dude."
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It would be kind of neat if the "rule" was that you can only pass them along to someone with whom you're playing the game.
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I like that notion, because then it would be a neat viral thing: "Hey, I was in a game with Whosit, and she had the Maestro D', so I copied it out on this piece of lined paper. Sure, we can copy it over to use in this game - can I check out the Faceless you got from Dudeguy?"
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I love that idea, in theory. In practice, it would mean I'd never share non-standard playbooks with anyone, as my play is almost entirely limited to my own local group, and I'm the only one who loves RPGs enough to actually buy the darned things. :)
I mean, I get why you wouldn't want to just post them all publicly for everyone to have (I don't agree with it, but I get it), but there's more middle ground to be explored yet.
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Yo,
I do kinda dig the collectable aspect of these extra playbooks. I would prefer it if they were exclusive only for a limited time - say 3 months or so, but I can live with not getting the odd one if Vincent want's to keep things how they are.
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I figure anyone who wants them will find a way. I have Maestro D' and not Faceless. It hasn't occurred to me to offer the Maestro D' up to my buddies, but if one of them asked, I'd make a copy. I have no idea if that's how Vincent envisions it, but I can't imagine he really expects people to *not* share them.
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On that note, I've just got into AW, and got the Quarantine thanks to the Human Contact Kickstarter offer. But apart from knowing that I won't be able to get hold of a copy, it would be good to know a bit more about what I've missed!
So, would it be possible for can someone post a quick summary or link describing the Maestro D' (and Faceless)? You know, the 'back cover blurb' like this:
It’s possible, when the Golden Age of Legend fell, that no one saw it coming. It’s possible that it came upon them unprepared and unsuspecting. Maybe they, like we, were simply fucked.
It’s also possible that they knew.
And ideally, some other tidbits like the teasers Vincent gave out for the Quarantine (http://apocalypse-world.com/forums/index.php?topic=534.msg4863#msg4863) too, if that's OK?
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In the golden age of legend, there was this guy named Maestro. He was known for dressing up real dap and whever he went, the people had much luxe tune. There was this other guy named Maitre d'. He was known for dressing up real dap and whever he went, the people had all the food they could eat and the fanciest of it.
Here in Apocalypse World, those two guys are dead. They died and the fat sizzled off them, they died same as much-luxe-tune and all-you-can-eat. The maestro d' now, he can't give you what those guys used to could, but fuck it, maybe he can find you a little somthin somethin to take the off the edge.
Is it true everywhere, always? Was it true in the golden age of legend, when life was kind? For certain it’s true here in Apocalypse World: some of us are born and grow up and live without faces. We have things on the fronts of our heads, of course, but they’re soft, malleable, expressive, revealing things, they aren’t our faces. Our faces would be hard, ungiving, silent and stern, they would be what we are. They would never flinch.
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Cool, thanks.
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When it comes to Apocalypse World - to do it, do it. Remember the Miller postulate - if you don't bring it, you can't have it. That said, the last time I asked someone for a playbook, their reply was, "what do you have to trade?" That got me thinking, if I don't generate some cool to trade, how will I get any hot in return? The simple idea of trading prompted me to make some cool content.
[As mentioned above, I've been planning on eventually laminating a set of playbooks as well]
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So....
Lets make the holds bustling market!
Start a new thread with some barter and propose some exchange. If you're cooler, harder, wierder, hotter or sharper than the rest of us, you may come out ahead.
Just a thought.
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I actually had success with "Hey, you've got the [zomgexclusive] playbook, right? I'll run a game in which you can actually try one out in exchange for getting a copy."
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I actually had success with "Hey, you've got the [zomgexclusive] playbook, right? I'll run a game in which you can actually try one out in exchange for getting a copy."
That's a really cool idea.
It would be cool if there was something on http://apocalypse-world.com/ that listed all the new character playbooks (just blurbs, maybe the picture, and when/where it was available) that have been put out, just so it's easier to get a handle when you're reading AP reports and the like.
(I guess it also shows that the game is being 'supported' for the people who care about that sort of thing.)
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Not that it makes much odds, but doesn't Brett hold the copyright on the Faceless playbook?
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Not that it makes much odds, but doesn't Brett hold the copyright on the Faceless playbook?
Probably at least for some/most of it, yeah. I dunno if it was ever anything "official" or "legally binding" but I'd gotten the impression that he more or less "gave" it to Vincent to do with as he wished. I "like" quotation marks.
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If there's one issue I have with the "exclusivity" of some playbooks, it's the fact that I'll probably never be able to get my hands on a copy of some due to my geographical isolation from, well, America. I gained the Maestro D' by being a playtester, but the Faceless will essentially always be out of my grasp because I wasn't in America when it was being handed out, and will most likely never have a chance to play/trade with someone who has it.
So as much as these ideas for trading keeping in the spirit of the "fundamental scarcity" of Apocalypse World, just keep in mind that there might be folk like me who'll probably never get a chance to join in the fun.
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So as much as these ideas for trading keeping in the spirit of the "fundamental scarcity" of Apocalypse World, just keep in mind that there might be folk like me who'll probably never get a chance to join in the fun.
Which is exactly why I don't like it as well. They are cool and awesome, and I, personally, think everyone who loves Apocalypse World should get to see and play with that awesome.